Dual Core V Quad core V Zeon?

[Trog Star]

it's all about resolution CC

1920x1080 = 1080p, I would be looking for a 1920x1200 screen.
don't bother with a 720p screen

[CC2005]

it's all about resolution CC

1920x1080 = 1080p, I would be looking for a 1920x1200 screen.
don't bother with a 720p screen

I hear you about resolution and yes you get more pixels per cm and for gaming and static imaging, but you will lose viewing realestate. (for us older folk or the visually hampered the higher res and smaller text and images may not be of benefit.) If you want to play movies without stretch or distortion then 16:9 is the future - no correction it is now. Web pages, games (in the near future) and movies are being produced in 16:9 aspect. So at 16:10 watching Blueray and other HDTV formatted material you will either end up with black strips top and bottom of the screen if your hardware scales it or otherwise you will have to manually set the screen size.

ATI / AMD are producing software and equipment to suit HDMI, inclusive of HDCP protection. (Nvidia i think are producing 1080P / HDCP stuff too) The Yanks are producing most stuff, movies rtc at 16:9, Most of Asia and Europe content is at 16:9 formats also.

16:10 yes is higher density. The 16:9 monitor manufacturers win by having produce screens with less or larger pixels for the same dollar?
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[Trog Star]

i haven't used any software that will scale a 16x9 image to fit a 16x10 display.
thats just nuts.
then again, i don't use windows media player
everything i have ever used just displays the video at it's proper resolution and leaves any unused screen blank

i find those blank bits quite useful, media player toolbar, taskbar, etc
but i very rarely do 1 thing at a time on the PC as i have the attention span of a nat

[CC2005]

It is all scaled by software inclusive of hardware settings now, but the shift is towards 16:9 aspect. The component manufacturers, panel manufacturers both TV & Monitor are producing for this aspect as a main stream default, movie and software designers are catering for it. So right now there are more 16:10 based format programs and videos and games supported by this aspect.

[CC2005]

May be of interest to those in the market for a new HDMI monitor.

Some young geek. Geek = in this case, some smart or appearing to be smart dude without an inflated ego, mentioned to me in conversation about refresh rates and video clarity, 720P being better than 1080I. Not to be confused with 1080P. I though yeah - here is a burst of bullshit that I don't need to hear. I thought instantly what crap? Stand corrected CC, as in some cases yes. Google didn't really back up my thoughts on the subject, but luckily I didn't dispute his side of things. I should have picked his little brain for valuable assistance whilst I had the opportunity.

Guys all the shit is on order, but the monitor. Fuck when you see some of these picks in the flesh (monitors)they are ugly and or just don't deliver clarity?

The below info may be intersting to some. About monitors and stuff.

Progressive formats represent the most advanced digital broadcasting technology available. Progressive scanning (used in all computer monitors and the advanced flat panel displays) "paints" every line of the picture sequentially every time the screen is scanned. It takes only 1/60th of a second to scan one complete picture. By contrast, interlace scanning, invented over 60 years ago, first paints the odd numbered lines every time the picture is scanned, followed by the even lines.

With interlaced formats, any horizontal motion in the original source between frames results in blurring. Similarly vertical motion results in flicker (the "venetian blind" effect). These defects are eliminated in progressive scanned systems. For example in 1080I, a moving football quarterback’s image is dissected into 1080 lines ONLY HALF OF WHICH are painted each time the screen is scanned. The portions of the quarterback’s body represented by the other half of the lines remain back where he was before he began to move. By contrast, progressive scanning re-paints the quarterback’s entire image EACH time the screen is scanned. As a result, progressive formats do a better job of rendering moving pictures.


5. IS 720P "REAL" HDTV?

The Advanced Television Standards Committee (ATSC), the group that established the standards for digital television, defined HDTV to include both 1080I and 720P. The Consumer Electronics Manufacturers Association (CEMA) has likewise defined HDTV to include both 1080I and 720P.

6. ARE 720P AND 1080I EQUIVALENT HDTV?

Actually, these networks think 720P is better. To focus solely on the "number of lines" greatly oversimplifies the complexities of the human visual system and threatens to mislead and confuse consumers. Contrast and brightness have a greater impact on the human visual system than does resolution. The 720P picture is brighter and has greater contrast than the 1080I picture.

The number of lines of resolution in progressive and interlace pictures are not an "apples-to-apples" comparison. In the time it takes 720P to paint 720 lines, 1080I paints only 540 lines. And, by the time 1080I does paint 1080 lines, 720p has painted 1440 lines.
In side-by-side subjective testing performed by the Advanced Television Test Center under the auspices of the FCC’s Advisory Committee on Advanced Television Services (ACATS), it was shown that 720P had "no artifacts" under a variety of conditions, while 1080I, under the same conditions, showed "increasing quantization noise and blockiness…" Nevertheless, these distinctions are slight, and the ACATS took pains to note that there was no substantive difference in picture quality between the two formats.

So when the Geek said if you get a broadcast or a indicator stating your HDMI monitor is outputting stuff at 720I you can't complain as it is better than 1080, I suppose he might be right? (Not convinced).

DON'T ask me about reduced blanking - Good but bad but good but bad? versus Dual Link DVI, Then you've got Led back lit, HDCP and shit and more shit + more shit

[Whos_asking99]

I'm looking for a new monitor, tried reading that post last night after a few to many victory celebration drinks...gave up.

Tried reading it this morning while sober...still makes no sense.

So what brand are you looking at CC? And is it a case of "you get what you pay for" or can you afford to skimp a bit and save a few dollars?

[Trog Star]

yea.

interlacing sucks.
thats what the I stands for.

P is for "Pwns I" or progressive if you wana be an ass.

looking at a little monitor myself now.
either a 1920x1080 or a 1920x1200.
depends on whats available and how it goes when i purchase.

*Edit
nope, 1920x1080.
apparently the PS3 dont play nice with 1920x1200

[CC2005]

Tried reading it this morning while sober...still makes no sense.

Took me two weeks to understand a heap of monitir shit. I cancelled the monitor I ordered, recommended by bullshit reviews.

Basically if your grafix card supports / has Dual - Link capabilities this will support refresh rate in and above the 160MHZ range. Not trying confuse the issue. If it doesn't you will need to get a monitor and ensure you GFX card supports a "RB" mode. RB = Reduced blanking, will reduce the MHZ frequency WITHOUT loss of performance. If you are going into the 1920 x 1080 or 1920 x 1200 modes and above. Most cards over the last few years should do this.

CRT / CDT have an additional signals that are not required for LCD monitors. RB strips / does not transmit this signal to the LCD, effectively the pixel clock frequency can be lowered in the monitor and card to do the same job at the same resolution etc. That is it roughly.

Tha lates Nvidia and ATI cards can run well above the 160MHZ rang to drive big bastard screens and several of them. The ATI cards dominate in this area in the computing areas and in PC based media theatre areas.

I was looking at Samsungs - but discounted three models when I saw them in the flesh operating. One was goo but an ugly bastard. Looking at 5ms or less. There are plenty of cheap screens that boast 5ms or less but are truely just shit. (you will pay more for LED backlighting - a lot more).

Now looking at some ACERS & LG with one more Samsung XL2370 to look at, all 23" My integrated TV tuner is out now, that will be a extra. I will keep you posted on which way I go.

I have been taken down the 1080 path?

PS it probably didn't - "Tried reading it this morning while sober...still makes no sense"

[Trog Star]

you realize that 120Hz @ 1920x1080 = 120FPS @ 1920x1080.

sure if you have GTX 295 SLI or CF 5970s
um.
good luck with that

and NEVER buy an LG computer anything
EVER!!

[CC2005]

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[Trog Star]

what?
thats it?

[CC2005]

what?
thats it?

You crushed me half fucken to death with the "NO" LG stuff. lol. M8 I've got LG TV's monitors that admit ably I have had for at least 5 years. Love em, has the quality gone to the pack?

I have been looking at many diffferent screens at the moment. The LED thing is all the rage but I looked at a couple of them on the weekend of which, yes they were very clear and bright but there were many other monitors that I'm sure with some tweaking would suit? My current 12ms LG LCD has a great picture but is a 17" square box. The old 1730P what a great screen in its day.

[Trog Star]

they do have the occasional good product.
but there mostly piles of crap

[CC2005]

For what it is worth. The hard drive stuff seems to inline with other reviews.

May help narrow down the field -a bit

http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/

Here are the bits to date as ordered. I still have to get the Monitor- now 24" - 25" 1080p and the PS2 keyboard and mouse and HDTV tuner. I'll see if the stock cooler will be ok as the case has a shit loads of air moving through it, so I'll wait and see? I've still got a few other Sata drives to chuck into it and 1 x 500GB - 6GB/s sucker.



I think I'll set the 2 x 1TB drives up in for Raid 1 128kb stripe for the little lady and my drives raid 0

[CC2005]

It is hard to get an un biased opinion when searching for monitors. AND it is very different in the real world when you look and play with them in the flesh. Most major PC reviewing bodies are kept alive by sponsors, fair enough, thus Dell is a major sponsor to most of them, so unless a Dell monitor is basically a piece of shit the Dell monitor will score decent to top scores across the board in most cases. Sponsored sites shit me but they still have a purpose, so whilst the PC reviewing bodies are paying thanks to the Dell corporation by the healthy fiscal return, (of which you can imagine the reviewing hierarchy are paying homage to them on their knees, unable to speak with a warm hand on the back of their heads.) there is a lot of shit product being thrust upon us. Yes it appears Dell did make good monitors in 2008 and early 2009 and they ride on that reputation, now they throw out lower optioned and lower spec (Monitor) crap everywhere. We know that Dell now promote a lot of Samsung gear (due to their alliance) so I'm assuming that the Dell bread and butter market allegiance is now predominantly focused within the business sector (of which they have basically dominated for years) thus you can aim low? During the day on those infomercial type TV shows, they push those $1299 - $1499 deals to the general home bimbo all the time) How much lower end spec sstuff can they throw out into the market? (another BenQ the majority is questionable – the blind person can see the quality. Yet a mate has a good monitor of theirs) 5 full stars for marketing Dell

So it makes total sense that Samsung don’t get bagged in to the dirt in these reviews, although they do appear to play second fiddle in most cases?

"Samsung said it will provide Dell with memory components, liquid-crystal displays (LCDs), monitors and optical disk drives for its line of computer products.

Analysts say this latest supplier agreement bodes well for both parties and ensures that Dell gets consistent access to high-quality parts, reasonable prices and preferential treatment."

I see little about ACER monitors although I have been playing with a few of them over the last week and they have been great, as with several Samsung and three LG’s But there are some really ugly monitors out there and LG dominate in that race?

23” seems to be the current and new test flagships for technology – for the next 30 seconds in computer world – I want 24”
No particular order, but all are pretty good. – T230H has great height, swivel and tilt adjustment.
XL2370 2ms LED back lit
H243HMBID 2ms not led, but good
T230H 2ms LED back lit Touch screen any one? not a feature for me
S243HL 2ms LED back lit


HDTV tuner models. There are several good ones out there, but I have now opted away from them
P2370HD Appeared to be good
2333HD – the one I looked at appears to be average as a monitor -

Let your own eyes be the guide. The above models I have played with. It is hard to check back light bleeding in a store, but you can make the desk top black and look hard, or throw you coat over it, but they will think you are watching porn or are just a stupid thief trying to pick it up.

I will still look at some of the Dell series this weekend and next week, as I don’t want to cut my nose off despite my face. Hit all the Euro review sites, in the EU they get a million different brands and models and the reviews seem to be less biased, then search for the same models here. Reviews can only give you a bench mark and the rest is up to you. I have a squillion fking pdf manuals for monitors now.

[Trog Star]

delll has a fair bit o crap on the market at the moment.
there clearing there stockpile and slapping alienware logos on the nice ones.

bastards

[CC2005]

I've still gotta look at them. I'd be more stupid than I really am if I didn't?

I'm like an excitable kid at Xmas now. I want my PC

[Trog Star]

oh yea, definetly worth a look.
see if they will let you play with a graphic design screen.

[CC2005]

The glass screens make everything look so much crisper, brighter although the glare from lights and seeing your own reflection takes you back to the CRT days. I think I'm gonna say no to the 23" monitors below and all glass screens??

Second look again if the glass and high gloss doesn't scare you, some of these are pretty good.
P2333HD HDTV 5ms (RB reduced blanking) (Glass Screen) Great clarity and a great all in one monitor.
The P2370HD is apparently much better than the P2333HD

Samsung XL2370 2ms LED back lit - Edit (Matte screen) bright and clear. The XL2470 not in Australia yet.

ACER H243HMBID 2ms (Glass Screen) - I think this wins for actual picture quality. Be unreal if it was led back lit & better if it had a matte screen.

All the LGs I saw today were SHIT

"Edit" Over at overclock.net and at overclockers.co.uk some of them are getting into this one; S142HL I discounted it due to not having any DVI inputs? Has 2 x HDMI and 1 x VGA? VGA FFS why? Checked it out today-Screen lists to one side as mentioned in one review in Europe. Picture less than good??

Gamers in the US have this Acer® GD235HZ 23.6" 120mhz http://us.acer.com/acer/product.do?link ... xHistory=0

In Aust we only have this, 22" http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/pc-p ... b=features

A contender that appeared to be reasonably good in the flesh,but not so good in reviews? A Viewsonic http://www.viewsonic.com.au/products/pr ... php?id=374

Look for Full HD not supports HD- Look for Progressive in the manuals or other wise you will end up with an interlaced monitor

[CC2005]

Some Acer nomeclature series info of which may help, plus some other stuff.

Series
X = Matt display (all others are gloss)
S, H, T = All have HDMI inputs (all the other series have DVI-i or DVI-D and VGA)

If you like the CRT glass finish the H243Hbmid has great clarity and no apparent ghosting. Blacks are black and are not washed out and whites are pretty good also for it not being a LED back lit monitor. I would buy it in a heart beat if it had a matt screen as it is the best monitor I have seen operating hooked up to several different machines.

I have read that there is no loss of visual performance / fidelity when going from DVI to HDMI although ACER have told me different? So I will get on the phone and as another manufacturer as there are still many screens without an HDMI input.

ASUS Monitors - other than their site, you just can not find a review. Do they suck that bad that people don't buy them at all?

Edit. Now leaning heavily toward the XL2370 after seeing a few in action, most of the reviews rate it very well, at the top. I have found several gaming and OC forums that give it the thumbs up also. http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=841&page=11

Monitor stuff wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

[CC2005]

Done: XL2370 - No noticeable input lag. Manual adjustments to improve colour clarity etc is a must. Displays Full HDTV and BluRay content exceptionally well. The only thing that beats it is the Acer as per my earlier posts. A close rival would be the Dell U2410. but it suffers from a little input lag and is 1920 x 1200 otherwise it would be my next pick.

[Trog Star]

nice work CC.

so when you building this monster?

[Trog Star]

nice work CC.

so when you building this monster?

[zipr]

nice work CC.

so when you building this monster?

[CC2005]

It was scheduled to be ready this week although the Lian Li A71 FB case still hasn't arrived. Should all be ready next week? I was hoping for a 24" monitor but the XL2370 will suffice-good monitor, virtually no input lag, let back lit, good colour and the black and grey scaling is very good. $535.00 it would want to be good. "Hmm crossfire?"