Dual Core V Quad core V Zeon?

[Trog Star]

5850 Xfire?
hell yea

[CC2005]

Hey Trog,

Thanks for the help on the raid issue I will do that, it sounds like a very good option. Is that known as 0+1?

All appreciated

CC

[Trog Star]

nope.

thats just a normal OS drive and a RAID1 array for storage purposes.

RAID 0+1 / 01 / 10
striping and mirroring
4 drives required, space of 2

0+1 or 01
2 RAID0 arrays then mirrored to a RAID1 array.

10
2 raid 1 arrays striped with data
FUCKING USLESS

[CC2005]

Trog, I'm totally naieve to this stuff so bear with me.

Are you stating I can operate two of drives in raid 0 and have the other two in raid 1 (with striping) Will this mean I can get speeds benifit of ) but the data will be mirrored if I set it up that way?

I think I'm lost - I can't grasp it

[Trog Star]

FFS.

tell me what exactly you wish to accomplish and ill tell you what your options are.

[CC2005]

FFS.

tell me what exactly you wish to accomplish and ill tell you what your options are.

Lol thanks

At least I didn’t try to sell you something I had no idea what it was. (That won’t get me leniency?)

I’m looking at doing the following: Two boot systems with the same OS on each set of drives. I think I can just operate as I do now. I select an entirely different drive to what my partner (Heather) uses on boot, so that we can stuff up our own systems.

1. Heathers documents and stuff, not performance. I want her set of drives to mirror each other just in case one drive fails, but the other will still function? Hopefully when I replace the failed drive it will rebuild that data? (I don’t want it to be dog slow either)

2. The other. I will use totally for mucking about, gaming etc. Thus a performance raid setup without safety is ok. (I may end up pissing off the two drives in raid X? for one 6GB/s two head read write sata 6 drive later on down the track) It may be cheaper for me to just get a sata 6 now and forget that raid setup?

I do not know what the best options are, hence I’m pestering you for free advice. I’m happy for any suggestions in lay terms?

Tks

[Trog Star]

okies.

get 2 cheep drives and build a RAID1 array for the minister for war and finance.
this will be slightly slower than the individual drives, but she is never going to notice
if your seriously stressed. grab 2 drives from different manufactures, just make sure the cache size matches

now for your OS it's a case of bang Vs buck.

RAID0 is highly overrated.
the RAID controller on your motherboard is a POS as far as RAID cards go.
it's called software RAID

cheepst option is a WD raptor, preferably mine.
then a WD velociraptor
after that your talking SSD and there pretty fucking pricey.

NEVER purchase the 1st generation in any new HDD technology.
tends to be expensive, disappointing and painful.

my personal preference is to use a different OS drive and storage drive, that way when i scrub my OS i don't loose media and crap.

[CC2005]

Thanks a heap.

The minister of finance and war is taken care of. Raid1

As for my option. One question: "the RAID controller on your motherboard (P6X58D Premium) is a POS as far as RAID cards go.it's called software RAID" RAID0 is highly overrated. As software RAID is highly over rated, do I need to get a quality controller card and what raid setup instead of the 0?

I've got a couple of Seagul spec 250GB - 3GBs drives sleeping in my garage I can use for the interim - she can have the two new 1tb 32mb cache suckers I've got on order.

My OS is Win 7 Prof 64bit.

[Trog Star]

real raid cards have ram on them.
amongst other things

[CC2005]

Thanks again. The assistance is appreciated.

I though I had to make the decision of which way I had to go today although I don't. The PC dudues have not got my 5850 or my OCZ ram. Apprarently both are currently in demand? The OCZ model that I want is always on back order? Two places I rang this morning that claimed to have it in stock, dont, and there is a wait with them also. "We haven't adjusted the quantities on site?"

[Trog Star]

exactly what ram are you after, there may well be alternatives.
more options = more chance to get some quick

[CC2005]

exactly what ram are you after, there may well be alternatives.
more options = more chance to get some quick

I've got a couple of options there. I can get some Geil or Corsair stuff if need be. I'm happy to wait to get what I want.

[Trog Star]

Gskill Ripjaw?
team extreme?
kingston hyperX?
Patriot viper?

[CC2005]

The back stops are GSkill There are two series that I can use with good standard XMP profiles and timings that I can tighten up to 7-7-7-20 - 1067 or up to 9-9-9-24 - 1800 all standard XMP profiles. The current GSkill stuff has a huge reputation as you know. There are several Corsair model also, but there is a lot of shit about some of the Dominator heat sinks not in contact properly with the chips? I have seen photos of this from several EU based reviewers? But as with anyone they would surely have fixed these issues now? (sure you can play with the standard settings - just don't select XMP profiles in the bios and manually clock - I'll be ringing you then so hide - lol)

I narrowed it down to two different types for both manufacturers, so no problem with choices. I also have looked at the compatibility issues with populating all available DIM slots. The models I have selected are all guaranteed to work by the; Ram mnf, the Mobo mnf and Intel. So I can not get a compatibility issue argument from them fkrs. Plus they are all good.

Happy to wait fro my OCZ stuff. It has got good reviews from o/clockers twisting the guts out of them all at stock or at low voltage increases. With the standard XMP profiles, the voltages are all below 1.65V

[Trog Star]

rightydpkey then

[CC2005]

Now just waiting for the PC. All just about ordered except for the sata 6, the HDTV tuner capture card and the Ext WD back up hard drives. I'll fit this later after I get it. Crossfire a bit later on later down the track now.. Maybe no point unless we all get into something worth playing?

I've got 6gb ram now, should I bite the bullet and get 6 more of it before the prices and models change? Ram based stuff is apparently going to increase again, but it hasn't gone up to the proportions that they state it would ? Possibly wait for the prices of what will be old technology drop (18 months time) and then chuck in somewhat cheaper 12GB of 2200MHz stuff?

[Trog Star]

6GB is heaps

[CC2005]

real raid cards have ram on them.
amongst other things

So Mr Trog my PC is waiting for me to pick it up Monday. Should I get a raid controller card now, as you mentioned my on board is shit. Any recommendations.

Two of the guys at the shop loved the case and stated it will last me for many year. One bloke stated you could put a small bar fridge in it?(The case is fucking hot in the flesh) They did pass comment that the board is under utilised, of which I stated there still is a HDTV Tuner and Capture card still to go in, and down the track possibly another GPU. Atleast it already supports some of the next generation 32nm CPU's. So I might be only looking at an intermediate upgrade in 5 years.

Can't wait to get my paws on it now, although the setting up shit will bore me to tears. installing all the updated drivers and flashing the bios to the latest, installing program, transfering email accounts etc, etc. Let the fun begin. AND I will get a 800 - 900Va UPS

Ps HDMI cables ain't just HDMI cables, but that doesn't mean you have to spend big $$. A tip. A category 2 cable - HDMI1.3b is all you need (not Cat 1 or class1.3a) A 1.8 metre cable to those specs (cat 2) can be obtained for less that $30.00. If it meets those specs, no need to spend more.

Standard (or “category 1”) cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz, which is the equivalent of a 1080i signal.

High Speed (or “category 2”) cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths and/or increased refresh rates. High-Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as WQXGA cinema monitors (resolution of 2560 x 1600).

[Trog Star]

you do not need a fucking raid card.

adaptec SAS card would be the go if you did.
but you dont

[CC2005]

you do not need a fucking raid card.

adaptec SAS card would be the go if you did.
but you dont

Yeah, but you said my on board one is shit and I don't want shit.

[Trog Star]

it's glorified software RAID.

go see how much a nice adaptec 5405 is going to cost you.
thats almost entry level.

stop looking at enterprise tech
it's stupid expensive shit

[CC2005]

it's glorified software RAID.

go see how much a nice adaptec 5405 is going to cost you.
thats almost entry level.

stop looking at enterprise tech
it's stupid expensive shit

Jesus, why didn't you say this and mentioned how much it costs 90 posts back. You could have saved us both grief - lol. Fuck they are expensive aren't they? Solution is very simple now. As you mentioned, she will not notice the difference.

Off to pick up the PC now, I'll add all the other bits later.

Thanks

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FINALLY - The bastard is home and running temperarily. Have a lot of file and program migrating to do. Win 7 is somewhat different to XP and will take a lot of getting use to. Not as adjustment friendly? Well maybe it is I just haven't found out to tailor it totally to my needs. It supports a ton of X8^ programs.

[Whos_asking99]

Was the new computer to much for CC to handle? Did his heart give out from all the excitement?

[CC2005]

Was the new computer to much for CC to handle? Did his heart give out from all the excitement?

ha ha ha, mate you don't know how close to the truth that almost is. This old bastard has had the blood pressure rise & rise to the point where an heart attack was imminent. Win 7 64bit has made some (quite a few) of my old programs redundant, or put them in a state of which they are a parasitic legacy on the system. There are a few interesting features and some very good ones and some shocking things removed from the basic functionality. E.g. no provision for a delete icon in explorer, WTF? A registry hack required - I could go on. IE 8 program for general usage has 32bit functionality? Even though there is a 64 bit version in my OS, I do not know when this comes into play.

All kinda fun now. I still need to do some performance tweaking on it as I get eaten alive atm in FC. I do quite well on the old over heating P4 shit fighter???? Enough of my dribble - I go on. Your trip is fast coming on?

[Whos_asking99]

haha yea know what you mean mate, first time using a 64-bit system. Cant wait for 64-bit to become common, so many things not working how they should be...

Starting to lost it with this company...still waiting, got a sick feeling I'm gonna be fucked for a large amount of money if it falls through...think I posted details of the circumstances in the Travel topic.